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8-5-08: . . . [Y]ou are attempting to present the law requiring an individual to file the previously mentioned taxes with the IRS internal codes, themselves!!! It is all U.S.C.!!! I just snorted . . . (Read more)

4-2-08: . . . Money in the United States is based on debt . . . its worth is actually a negative . . . (Read more)

2-8-08: You drank the kool-aid . . . (Read more)

1-12-08: Dear Sir: Posting quotes from the IRS code is not proof that your position is Constitutional! Talk about assuming what needs to be proven! . . . (Read more)

10-20-07 . . . A very old friend of mine (who has no background in law whatsoever), recently befriended a group of people who exposed her to America: Freedom to Fascism and dragged her deep into the tax protester smut . . . (Read more)

9-25-07: . . . I am a pastor and some of the members of my congregation are unduly influened by these protester's arguments . . . (Read more)

8-26-07: Greetings, I came upon your site after sitting through half of Aaron Russo's rather dodgy "America: Freedom to Fascism" . . . (Read more)

6-14-07: . . . I wanted to pose one simple question to you, as a matter of principle: do you believe it to be morally just to imprison someone who fails to pay taxes? . . . (Read more)

6-2-07: interesting analysis. you had me until you argued that my labor had no value until i traded it, making the gain in assets taxable . . . (Read more)

5-03-07: Dr. Siegel, I just copied part of the opinion from the Brushaber Supreme court case, and it seems to me that it only confirmed that direct and indirect (excise) taxes must remain as they were before the 16th amendment! I could find nothing that overturned the Pollock Case! . . . (Read more)

4-14-07: Mr. Siegel, YOU are a genius. All this time people in the truth in taxation movement have been asking for someone, anyone, to show them the law that requires them to file a federal income tax return, and to pay the federal income tax . . . (Read more)

4-10-07: Great website regarding the income tax. Everything you say on it is correct. If one makes "income" he certainly must pay an "income tax" on it. . . . (Read more)

3-8-07: Are you really a law professor or an ex-IRS person. Your fraudulent website is so full of holes you can drive a semi through it. . . . (Read more)

2-23-07: When I browsed your page critiquing Aaron Russo's film, America: From Freedom to Fascism, I was hoping to find some direct answers that would contradict the revelations brought forth in the film. However, the nonsense on your webpage seems to only give greater credibility to Russo.. . . (Read more)

2-12-07: Thank you for publishing your page on tax law. Up here in New Hampshire ("Live Free or Die"), we have lots of people who really believe all of the myths that you debunk. . . . (Read more)

2-1-07: Dear Mr. Siegel, If I asked you to tell me how you liked the movie, The Grinch that Stole Christmas," and you told me it had a great ending. The Grinch turned nice and everybody was singing. That would not tell me very much and I would wonder if you really understood the meaning of the story. . . . (Read more)

1-25-07: Greetings: I was searching the web looking for information about the claims that some people make that there is no law saying you must pay federal income tax. I found the stuff on your web page to be very informative but I need one more piece of information to validate it. . . . (Read more)

1-24-07: I was reading your Income Tax page and I'm confused about one issue. On your page you said that the tax law says you're only required to pay federal income taxes if you're required to file a tax return, right? . . . (Read more)

1-24-07: In your correspondences about the income tax you stated...."Have you ever seen the actual laws that prohibit murder, robbery, or arson?" . . . (Read more)

1-20-07: I was just directed to your income tax law page where you have presented the obvious case for the legality of the income tax and filing. . . . (Read more)

11-21-06: Hi, I just read your tax page and I am curious of your opinion. Have you seen Aaron Russo's film America, Freedom to Fascism? . . . (Read more)

9-15-06: Good day Prof. Siegel. My name is ____ _____. I am a 2L at St. Thomas University School of Law in Miami, Fl. and I am taking the time to write you concerning your website. . . . (Read more)

9-6-06: Greetings, I'm a Clemson University economics student who recently stumbled into the Internet's vast resource of "income tax hoax/fraud" web sites while conducting research for a public sector class. . . . (Read more)

 


August 5, 2008:

Jonathan,

I just perused your site. I've seen similar information, in the past. I've personally contacted my elected representatives, as well as the IRS, CRS, and GAO and nobody has replied regarding the presentation of a law which requires an individual to file a 1040, or Federal Income Tax. As I stated, I only perused your site, but I noticed that you are attempting to present the law requiring an individual to file the previously mentioned taxes with the IRS internal codes, themselves!!! It is all U.S.C.!!! I just snorted. Sorry. I believe that you are either insincere, or that you are missing the finer point? We are requesting the very law which permitted the IRS to create their internal statutes and codes in the first place. Would you be so kind as to provide that information to me? Nobody else has been able to so. Some of us still follow Constitutional Law, Jonathan. I eagerly await your reply.

Sincerely, ____________

Reply:

Mr. ____________,

The Internal Revenue Code, codified as part of the United States Code, is the law. It was written by Congress, not by the IRS. It is not "internal" to the IRS. For a detailed explanation of this point, please see here.

Jon Siegel

 

April 2, 2008:

If you are a legal professor of law, would you tell me this?
Money in the United States is based on debt, not lawful money based on gold and silver as stipulated in art 1 sec 10 of the USC.Our money is therefore counterfeit by Constitutioal Law, being based on debt its worth is actually a negative.How do you construe that as income?It is already spent, because its based on the fact that someone borrowed it from a bank and the money is printed.Which actually makes it a representitive of debt, therefore not liable to any income tax.
Wouldn't that make our congress guilty of being accessory to counterfeiting and extortion?

Reply:

Thanks for your message. Two points:

1. If you read Article 1, section 10 of the Constitution, you will see that it applies only to the states, not to the federal government. The states are forbidden from making anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debt, but the federal government is not subject to that restriction.

2. If you really believe that the worth of your money is a negative, the solution is simple: send it to me. I will be happy to accept all of your money. According to your view of things (under which money is a negative), you will be better off if you send your money to me.

If you don't send your money to me (and I am guessing you won't), that proves that you regard your money as a positive, not a negative.


February 8, 2008:

Subject: You drank the kool-aid

Wow.

I read your site. I'm speechless. If your site is correct why do over 67 million people in this country not pay income taxes on earned wages and go on about their lives?

It seems to me that since you are a lawyer, you've done your best to interpret the laws and display them on your site, in the most clear and concise manner possible. I learned lots from reading your site, but the most important thing I learned is that you are defending your profession. I think you feel you have to do this to prove to yourself that the years you spent training were not wasted - to prove to yourself that your profession is not a sham.

I personally know 3 people who have never filed tax returns and never will. I of course do, because I have kids and don't want the IRS' militarized units coming down on me like they can. They have completed their goal of fearing me into paying, and I will always pay until the "laws" say otherwise. These other folks live their lives content and happy that they are not part of this abomination created by the greedy bankers.

You are so sure of yourself and that is why I don't believe your writings. You openly mock anyone who does not side with your logic and interpretation. It is apparent that you think our government is all fair and square, but let me inform you that you got another thing coming. I was in the military and have seen it all. I know what our government is capable of. Being an ex-submariner I've seen what goes on 100 meters below the surface of the ocean with cable tapping and spying. The fact is the government has lost all credibility (especially as of late) and now that I've read both sides of the story, I'm not drinking the kool-aid.

Best of luck to you, ____.

Reply:

____, thanks for your message.

First of all, I have the highest respect for your military service. Thank you for serving our country.

I don't know where you got the figure of 67 million people not paying taxes, but please remember that many people are not legally required to file a return or pay taxes. The most common reason would be that a person does not have enough income to be required to file. For example, most children up to the age of about 16 would not have enough income to be required to file a return. So that by itself accounts for tens of millions of Americans not filing returns.

Please let me assure you that I have not posted the information on my website in order to defend the legal profession. I have posted this information because I want people to be able to see the laws that require most Americans to file income tax returns and pay taxes. There is a lot of false information out there on this subject. Many people are claiming that there is no law requiring Americans to pay taxes and they constantly ask "Where is the law? Show me the law!" So I am showing the law.

I am not claiming that everything the government does is fair and square. Far from it. I agree that the government does some bad things. But lying about the law that requires people to pay income taxes is not one of them. I know this because I have personally looked up the law.

I don't know if you had a chance to review this page on my website, but please take a look at it.

This page explains why you can trust this information and why I feel confident about it.

Jon Siegel


January 12, 2008:

Dear Sir:

Posting quotes from the IRS code is not proof that your position is Constitutional! Talk about assuming what needs to be proven! The fact that you cite this agencies code shows you have no Constitutional support whatsoever. The Tax Protesters are not refuted by citing an invalid non-authority on the matter. It would be like quoting from another nation's law-code to prove that whatever you are quoting is valid HERE. Will you next tell us the Federal Reserve is Constitutional and that that Private Bankers are allowed to print money out of thing air and then lend it to our Government for Interest, forever enslaving the American people to these Money barons???

Reply:

Thanks for your message. The Internal Revenue Code is proper authority because it is U.S. law, having been passed by both houses of Congress and signed by the President. Of course such law, to be valid, must also be constitutional. I address a couple of constitutional arguments about the income tax here:

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/16th.htm
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/16thb.htm

You appear to believe that the income tax laws are unconstitutional, but you do not say why. Therefore, I can do no more than refer you to the above pages. You might also check this web page by Dan Evans, who addresses additional constitutional arguments:

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

Jon Siegel


October 20, 2007:

Dear Professor Siegel,

I just wanted to thank you profusely for taking the time to put up your website debunking tax protester myths. A very old friend of mine (who has no background in law whatsoever), recently befriended a group of people who exposed her to America: Freedom to Fascism and dragged her deep into the tax protester smut. I was concerned and wanted to make it clear to her that the arguments were absurd, but as a law student I didn't have the time (and probably didn't have the knowledge) to cohesively show her everything that was wrong with it. I tried showing her the IRS FAQ, but she disregarded it as "more lies." Luckily I stumbled upon your page, which made my job very easy! I'm happy to say she's now off that track and wholly aware of her legal obligation to pay taxes. So, in short, I just wanted to thank you for putting up information that made it easy for me to get her out before she got in too deep and did something stupid like refuse to file. It's nice to see someone put up a page like yours to counter all the other ridiculous pages out there. I can't believe how convincingly these protesters take in perfectly intelligent people. Now I just have to find a way to convice her that a return to the gold standard will not solve all of America's monetary problems.

Thank you again, _____________.

Reply:

Thanks for your message. It sounds like your friend is right in the "target market" for my website. I'm glad it helped keep her away from trouble.

Jon Siegel

 

September 25, 2007:

Dear Dr. Siegel,

Thank you for the helpful answers you provide on line to the arguments made by tax protesters. I am a pastor and some of the members of my congregation are unduly influened by these protester's arguments. You web site is a very helpful resource.

Sincerely, _________

Reply:

Thanks very much for your message. If my website can help members of your congregation avoid getting into trouble with tax protestor arguments, then it will have served its purpose.



August 26, 2007:

Greetings,

I came upon your site after sitting through half of Aaron Russo's rather dodgy "America: Freedom to Fascism" and, not being one to believe something simply because one person says that it is the case (I AM a grad student in philosophy, after all), I decided to do some of my own research.

I just wanted to say that, for better or worse, your page has given me more than sufficient reason to trust that there is a law requiring all non-exempt American citizens to pay income taxes. I feel I should let it be known for posterity's sake that I am no fan of this law (or any form of government in general), but your citations made me think twice before becoming a tax evader myself, if only because I do not want to go to jail. I say with no small amount of shame that I am that coward who chooses to hand the fruits of his labor over to the thief in exchange for life.

Perhaps one day I will become courageous enough to cease funding a nation I've grown to despise. But as for now, I will pay for the ability to live comfortably because you have eradicated any doubts I had as to what can---under existing and enforceable laws---happen to me were I to attempt to evade the IRS.

Thank you, ______.

Reply:

Thanks for your message. I am glad the web pages were useful to you.

Given your views, perhaps you should join those who are agitating for repeal of the income tax? It's a big task, to be sure, but there's already a movement for it. Perhaps you know that Ron Paul, who is running for President, supports repeal.

Jon Siegel

Thanks for your reply, sir. It's very honorable and kind of you to go out of your way to get back to those who write to you (especially the disrespectful playground-bully types) and offer helpful suggestions; this is the mark of a true teacher.

Unfortunately, given that I am what many would call an "anarchist," I refuse to vote or partake in the democratic process out of principle. A good argument can be made that I'm simply complacent or, at the very least, unproductive in regards to our republican style of government, but to use an all-too-cliche and oft-exaggerated analogy, I wouldn't have fought the National Socialist system by participating in it---nor would I have achieved anything by doing so.

Thanks once again for all your help, and I hope you have a great school year!


June 14, 2007:

Thank you for contributing to the other side of this debate. I look forward to studying both sides as this issue has just come to my attention recently, first in the form of Mr. Russo's film and secondly in the form of your website.

I wanted to pose one simple question to you, as a matter of principle: do you believe it to be morally just to imprison someone who fails to pay taxes? If indeed it turns out that you are correct on the matter of the personal income tax, would it not be more just to pursue those who don't pay as civil matters?

Thanks for your time, ______.

Reply:

_____, Thanks for your message. Yes, I do think jail is an appropriate penalty for failure to pay taxes in some cases. Here are some reasons:

1. The vast majority of tax cases are pursued as civil or administrative matters. There are literally millions of civil tax penalties every year, and hundreds of thousands of tax liens and levies, but only two or three thousand criminal tax prosecutions. You can see the statistics here.

This is because, as a matter of policy, the government reserves criminal prosecution for serious cases. I'm not claiming that the IRS implements this policy perfectly -- I'm sure it makes inappropriate decisions sometimes -- but that is the general rule.

2. Criminal prosecution requires the government to show that the defendant knew he or she was required to pay taxes and wilfully failed to do so. So we're not talking about people who just made an honest mistake on their tax return. Again, this means that criminal tax prosecutions are for serious cases.

3. Millions of taxpayers (including myself) honestly pay the taxes they owe every year. If people deliberately fail to pay their taxes, it hurts honest taxpayers. That is wrong.

4. There has to be some serious deterrent to failing to pay income tax. The IRS has to enforce the tax laws with regard to hundreds of millions of people. The odds that the IRS will catch those who cheat are often low in an individual case, particularly with regard to income that is not independently reported (such as the income of the self-employed). If people were only subject to paying the taxes owed plus interest and penalties, I don't think that would be a sufficient deterrent and there would be a lot more noncompliance than there is. The possibility of a jail sentence is needed to give people a real incentive to pay their taxes.

So yes, I think jail is appropriate in some cases.

Jon Siegel

Thanks for the reply, you've given me much to consider.

I just wonder about the deterrence issue. Again, if indeed the federal income tax does apply to the wages most of us earn, I definitely support punitive punishment over and above the tax owed and any interest payment for those who fail to comply.

However, if a person honestly believes the tax does not apply to him (i.e. Ed Brown, Joe Bannister, Sherry Brown, Irwin Schiff, etc.), and a jury of his peers determines that the tax does in fact apply to that individual, I really have a moral problem with putting someone in jail for an offense that has caused no other person any physical harm, especially when it was not a deliberate attempt to evade law in willful violation.

Oh, and one more thing. Do you believe that there is such a thing as jury nullification which includes the power of a jury to judge both the facts of a case and the law itself that is in question?

Thanks again, _____.

Reply:

Remember, it is up to the government to prove to the jury that the defendant did believe that he had an obligation to pay income tax. If the defendant truly doesn't believe he has to pay, failure to pay is not a crime. The defendant still owes the money (including interest and penalties), but is not subject to criminal punishment.

So how can people such as Ed Brown and Irwin Schiff be convicted, when they believe there is no income tax law? The answer is that the government proved, to the jury's satisfaction, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Brown and Schiff know that there is a law requiring them to pay taxes. The jury must have concluded that Brown and Schiff and similar people are lying when they say they believe they don't have to pay taxes.

I have no idea what really goes on inside the heads of Brown, Schiff, and like-minded others. I wasn't at their trials and I don't know what evidence the government presented. But, under the law, that evidence must have been sufficient to convince the jury that the defendants in fact knew they had to pay income taxes, and that their claims that they believe that they don't have to are lies.

>> Oh, and one more thing. Do you believe that there
>> is such a thing as jury nullification which includes
>> the power of a jury to judge both the facts of a
>> case and the law itself that is in question?
>

In a criminal case, there is no doubt that the jury has the power to engage in nullification by returning a not guilty verdict. Whether juries should do so is a more complex question.

Jon Siegel

For a jury to determine what a defendant *believed* to be true regarding a particular subject, members would have to at least be aware of the information upon which that person reached his alleged conclusion, and have access to said documents, codes, statutes, etc. Surely this is covered under almost every clause in the 5th and 6th amendments, particularly the right to call witnesses on your own behalf. In these cases, the "witnesses" are the documents and the law itself.

This is indeed the crux of the matter, is it not?

Are you aware of a case or cases where the jury has been presented the evidence that people claim to have about the ratification of the 16th amendment, the so-called 861 evidence, and all other theories a man wishes to present? (Surely only a tyrant would determine a given defense "frivolous" if it had never yet been heard by a jury.)

This is what I am most interested in finding out. Has the law actually been put on trial, or is it really like Mr. Russo, Mr. Brown, Mr. Shiff et al allege, where the judges systematically deny these defendants their rights to put the law on trial for judgment by a jury of their peers?

Thanks again, you've been very helpful.

Reply:

Your point is well taken, and I don't really know the full answer. But I can say this:

1. It is not up to the jury to decide what the law is. The judge decides whether the law requires people to pay taxes, and of course all the judges decide that it does, because that is the correct answer. So in this sense "the law" is never put on trial.

2. The jury does decide whether the defendant in a criminal tax case believed that he was obliged to pay taxes. As you say, in order for the jury to make this decision, it would need to have an understanding of the defendant's thinking and so would need some opportunity to hear the defendant's explanation of why he claims he believed there was no such obligation.

3. Tax protestor defendants frequently complain that the judge in their trial excluded all the evidence that would allow them to prove what they believed. I don't really know what happens. I heard from someone who claimed to be personally present at the trial of Larken Rose that Rose was "allowed to go through the entire 861 presentation, with all of the statutes and regulations he wanted." On the other hand, I have heard directly from Rose that Rose feels that the judge excluded all his evidence. So you see there are conflicting stories.

My best guess, based on my assessment of the reliability of the people involved, is that Rose was allowed to make a reasonably full presentation of his 861 argument, but he wasn't allowed to show his video version and wasn't allowed to put in every chart, diagram, and exhibit he wanted, and he has magnified this in his own mind into "the judge excluded everything."

But as I say, I don't really know.

Jon Siegel


June 2, 2007:

interesting analysis. you had me until you argued that my labor had no value until i traded it, making the gain in assets taxable. and you teach? i know i won't be hiring any accountants (or logicians) from George Washington anytime soon.

Reply:

Mr. _____,

Thanks for your message. I never said your labor had no value. What I said is that, for tax purposes, the value is irrelevant. Please review this page:

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/wages.htm

As the page explains, when you sell something, you normally have taxable income if the sale price exceeds your "basis" in the thing sold. But your basis has nothing to do with the value of the thing sold. It has to do with the cost to you of the thing sold.

If we were to apply this concept to the sale of labor (which the tax code isn't really set up to do), we would conclude that you should be able to deduct, from your wages or salary, the cost to you of your labor. But what is that? Did you ever pay anyone anything to own your labor? I certainly didn't and I expect that you didn't either. Therefore, your basis in your labor is zero.

That doesn't mean your labor has no value. It has value, but value is not the relevant figure.

Jon Siegel

it still sounds like your argument re the tax code is that if it doesn't cost you anything, it isn't worth anything.

sorry, i must be a strict constructionist or a semanticist - because i'm not still not buying it. and of course the anti-elitist in me resents being devalued.

fyi

Reply:

Mr. ______,

You're really not being devalued. Value is just not the relevant figure. Let me put it this way:

If you bought a diamond for $10,000 and sold it some years later for $15,000, your income would be $5,000. That's the $15,000 sale price minus your basis (cost) of $10,000.

But what if you found a diamond in the street and sold it for $15,000? How much income would you have? You didn't pay anything for the diamond. It had no cost to you. So your basis is zero. Therefore, the whole $15,000 sale price would be income, because you have no basis to deduct from it.

That doesn't mean the diamond is valueless! Obviously it is very valuable. But your basis is determined by cost, not value. The value of the thing sold is irrelevant.

The sale of labor is the same. You didn't pay anything to own your labor. Therefore your basis in it is zero. That doesn't mean it has no value. Like the diamond found in the street, it is valuable. But basis is determined by cost, not value.

It really has to be this way. If you deducted the value of the thing sold, you would never have any income from anything! In any normal, free market transaction, on the day you sell something, its value is equal to the sale price. So if you could deduct the value, your income would be zero. That can't be how it works. You deduct the cost, not the value.

Jon Siegel


May 3, 2007:

Dr. Siegel,
I just copied part of the opinion from the Brushaber Supreme court case, and it seems to me that it only confirmed that direct and indirect (excise) taxes must remain as they were before the 16th amendment! I could find nothing that overturned the Pollock Case!
“Second, that the contention that the Amendment treats a tax on income as a direct tax although it is relieved from apportionment and is necessarily therefore not subject to the rule of uniformity as such rule only applies to taxes which are not direct, thus destroying the two great classifications which have been recognized and enforced from the beginning, is also wholly without foundation since the command of the Amendment that all income taxes shall not be subject to apportionment by a consideration of the sources from which the taxed income may be derived [240 U.S. 1, 19forbids the application to such taxes of the rule applied in the Pollock Case by which alone such taxes were removed from the great class of excises, duties, and imposts subject to the rule of uniformity, and were placed under the other or direct class. This must be unless it can be said that although the Constitution, as a result of the Amendment, in express terms excludes the criterion of source of income, that criterion yet remains for the purpose of destroying the classifications of the Constitution by taking an excise out of the class to which it belongs and transferring it to a class in which it cannot be placed consistently with the requirements of the Constitution. Indeed, from]another point of view, the Amendment demonstrates that no such purpose was intended, and on the contrary shows that it was drawn with the object of maintaining the limitations of the Constitution and harmonizing their operation. We say this because it is to be observed that although from the date of the Hylton Case, because of statements made in the opinions in that case, it had come to be accepted that direct taxes in the constitutional sense were confined to taxes levied directly on real estate because of its ownership, the Amendment contains nothing repudiation or challenging the ruling in the Pollock Case that the word 'direct' had a broader significance, since it embraced also taxes levied directly on personal property because of its ownership, and therefore the Amendment at least impliedly makes such wider significance a part of the Constitution,-a condition which clearly demonstrates that the purpose was not to change the existing interpretation except to the extent necessary to accomplish the result intended; that is, the prevention of the resort to the sources from which a taxed income was derived in order to cause a direct tax on the income to be a direct tax on the source itself, and thereby to take an income tax out of the class of excises, duties, and imposts, and place it in the class of direct taxes. [240 U.S. 1, 20] We come, then, to ascertain the merits of the many contentions made in the light of the Constitution as it now stands; that is to say, including within its terms the provisions of the 16th Amendment as correctly interpreted. We first dispose of two propositions assailing the validity of the statute on the one hand because of its repugnancy to the Constitution in other respects, and especially because its enactment was not authorized by the 16th Amendment.”
If, as you say that Pollock was overturned please send me the Supreme Court Case that indicates your position so I can better understand the law. It is very difficult for me to understand your position when I can find nothing to support it.
I barely got through high school so I have a great deal of respect for people such as yourself that have achieved the degree of education you have. I hope my correspondence doesn’t sound disrespectful; it would seem when I study other court cases that they conflict with what you believe.
As I read history I think the founding fathers be discussed with how we have let this Republic become a Democracy because we as a people are lazy and don’t make our employees obey the constitution as written.
Thank you, _____.

Reply:

Mr. _____, the very case you cite, Brushaber, says:

"the [Sixteenth] Amendment was drawn for the purpose of doing away for the future with the principle upon which the Pollock Case was decided"

thus showing that Pollock is no longer good law. (p. 18)

The case also says, on the same page:

"the whole purpose of the Amendment was to relieve all income taxes when imposed from apportionment from a consideration of the source whence the income was derived. . . . in express terms the Amendment provides that income taxes, from whatever source the income may be derived, shall not be subject to the regulation of apportionment."

So Congress may impose an income tax and the income tax is not subject to the requirement of apportionment.


April 14, 2007:

Mr. Siegel,

YOU are a genius. All this time people in the truth in taxation movement have been asking for someone, anyone, to show them the law that requires them to file a federal income tax return, and to pay the federal income tax. Up to this point, all that has been achieved is for those that propose there is such a law, is countless name calling, declaring people’s arguments that there is no law to be frivolous and that these people are obviously anti-government. But now you come along and make it look so easy! Are you going to pay taxes on the money and property you will collect as a result of finally showing all of these doubters that there really is a law? Just one other question, can you say legalese? Thank you for finally putting this whole mess to rest.

________, Iowa City, IA.

Reply:

Thanks for your message. I only wish I was collecting money from showing people the law! I'd be happy to pay tax on it. Maybe I could charge the IRS a cut of the tax it gets from people who pay up after reading my website . . . hmmm, unfortunately, not very likely.

Anyway, thanks again.

In actuality, you CAN cash in whether there is a law or not, simply by becoming an IRS informant. Just turn in your fellow Americans that know there is no law and follow the Constitution by refusing to be extorted by the government. Pretty good deal huh? God bless Amerika. But because you can show there IS a law, you can cash in by collecting all of the offers being made to anyone that can show just that. Beginning with Ed and Elaine Brown, whose story you linked to (Fox news no less, the most trustworthy source of no spin news in Amerika) on your website. They're offering a million dollars in property for anyone that can show them the law. There are others that have offered large sums of cash, that have been unclaimed to date, for anyone that can show the law. Unfortunately all of this still goes unclaimed because the only misguided reference anyone can site is the same that you do. I guess there are just too many people out there that just have all the money they need and therefore can't be bothered with taking a couple of minutes and just showing the "real" law.

Just remember, the federal income tax is legal and backed by the Constitution. It's how it's being, and has been misapplied, by the IRS. I'm only sorry that you wasted a good education to become part of the matrix. I suppose you also believe that the Federal Reserve System is Constitutional also?

I'm currently listening your conversation with Larken Rose on Soapbox Radio. I can tell that you've been doing all of your research on the IRS website. You even copy and paste their section on Tax Protestor Myths into your website. This shows how little research you've done on your own account. Not sure if you're aware of the current situation with Tom Cryer, so I thought I'd supply this link for your educational enrichment.

http://www.gcstation.net/liefreezone/#stake

I'm sure that even someone taking your position will agree that this is not just some tax evading kook. I would submit that he is far more qualified to address this issue than even you.

You're also quite naïve to believe that just because people like Larken have been put into prison, amounst others, that that in itself proves that there is a law. All this proves is that the notion that American's rights are being taken from them, and corruption in the government is destroying the Constitution, is a reality. If you truly believe that our government, especially our current administration, has never lied to the American people, you are in denial.

One other comment. I couldn't help notice in your discussion with Larken, you sounded quite condescending. As a person dedicated to education, I ask that you think outside of the conventional wisdom and use your OWN mind instead of relying on IRS propaganda, as well as what you've been taught in public schools since you started going to school. Just don't believe that slavery is a thing of the past, as it's still alive and well today.

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Rats, you fooled me. When I saw your first message I had some suspicion as to its genuineness, particularly based on the sentence, "Just one other question, can you say legalese?" But I decided to do you the courtesy of assuming that you were being sincere in the rest of your message, such as when you said, "Thank you for finally putting this whole mess to rest." Now I see that the whole thing was just an exercise in sarcasm.

Too bad. As to your other messages:

* There are many people who claim to be offering money for proving that the law requires people to pay income tax. But on close examination, these offers usually turn out to be bogus. Often they say that to win, you have to disprove something that is obviously true, such as that "under the Constitution, Congress passes the laws." With particular regard to Mr. Brown's offer, there are two problems -- first, you have to be the first to show him the law, and I presume someone else has already done so, and second, he says that the law can't be Title 26. Well, that is the law, so it is impossible to collect on his offer.

* I have not cut and pasted from the IRS website. Everything on my website is based on my original research. I have looked directly at the tax law itself and at the accompanying regulations.

Thanks again for your messages. I'm sorry that you couldn't just have been an honest person from the beginning and said what you actually believed, instead of starting off with sarcastic statements that are the opposite of what you believe.


April 10, 2007:

Great website regarding the income tax.
Everything you say on it is correct. If one makes "income" he certainly must pay an "income tax" on it.
And there certainly ARE laws which make one liable. Take this from someone who has been in the tax honesty movement for 20 years. I however do not make much "income". Last year it was only $60.00 in fact.
I am a highly paid professional and I do have quite a bit "withheld" as the companies I work for have common misunderstandings in this regard. However that is ok, I am non privileged private sector worker, and I have recieved back everything I have paid in to the IRS and state taxing agencies including Medicare, FICA and other Federal taxes, for the past few years now as I now KNOW the law too. Luckily, the IRS also knows the law, and has been quietly refunding everything paid in by many private sector workers for years, but only if you know the law. You can read about it here...
www.losthorizons.com
All the best,
_______

Reply:

Thanks for your message. If, as you say, everything I say on my website is correct, then you do have income:

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/wages.htm

The statement on your website that income "is the exercise of federal privilege, which is measured, for purposes of determining the tax, by the receipts brought in by that exercise" is contrary to section 61.

Jon Siegel


March 8, 2007:

Are you really a law professor or an ex-IRS person. Your fraudulent website is so full of holes you can drive a semi through it. no wonder I can beat your lawschool buddies in court. they were probably trained by you. I would stick to ambulance chasing. That is why you are called an attorney instead of a lawyer and I will bet you do not even know what I am talking about.

Let me just say this without wasting more of my valuble time. 26 U.S.C IS NOT LAW but simply code which congress can pass into law given the passing of statutes. Secondarily, most of 26 U.S.C. is found in 27 CFR section 70 et. seq. I f you do not know what I am saying CFR statnds for Code of Federal Regulations and the 27 part, that is for Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms as well as Federal Employees and non-resident aliens. You should read the code and do some research before making the same assertions the IRS uses in their propaganda before some Lawschool 101 freshman knows more than you do. Another thing you may want to go and look up in the Federal Register and see if Congress has enacted the IRS as a government agency, and also research the IRM Internal Revenue Manual and look under OMB numbers, thets Office of Management and Budget and see what is says about a 1040, which TD 2313 in the Brushaber Supreme Court case stated it was for non-resident aliens. Get into politics or be a DOJ patsy, because you do not know what you are talking about. Put this on your website.

Reply:

Thanks for your message. I really am a law professor and I never worked for the I.R.S., although I did work at the U.S. Department of Justice before I went into teaching.

Title 26 of the U.S. Code is law. The U.S. Code is a compilation of statutes passed by the United States Congress. Every section in Title 26 was passed by Congress as law.

Guess what you are not up to date the 1986 code was not passed into law and I know that what I told you about the CFR's are true as I have the regulations from the law. I noticed that you do what you do because of your background which explains why it is a copy of the IRS flyer that they send out to con people into paying that which Article I section 8 says has to be done first in order to tax our earnings. If they want us to follow the law they first must first follow it. That is why people keep asking for the law, there isn't one and again research the Supreme Court caselaw that is what you should be telling your students, not perforce giving them your biased opinion like a lot of the judges do today. Look it up we have. The Constitution is the law for us not what the government thinks.

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The Internal Revenue Code of 1986 became law on October 22, 1986, by Congress's passage of Public Law 99-514. Some more information is available here.

The code has been amended many times since then, each time by law passed by Congress.

So the code really is law.

Read what Jeff said. it is not law without the statutes at large. You are arguing for something that does not exist and is verified by several Supreme Court cases from 1895 to the present. You cannot tax private citizens on their earnings period. I have studying this long and hard for 13 years and have every pertinent case on this. That is why the IRS just lost another case. They are being caught up with with their lies and fraud. If you pay me enough I will teach your class on the real tax law.

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But it's in the Statutes at Large. Volume 100, starting at page 2085. I'm looking at it right now. Public Law 99-514, "An Act To reform the internal revenue laws of the United States." Check it out for yourself.

Look, I'm sorry, but Congress really did pass this and it really is law. Why don't you try a different argument? There's no point arguing that Congress didn't pass something when it obviously did, as anyone can check by looking it up in the books.

This is my last comment on this. I am too busy suing the IRS. 80,000,000 non payers cannot be wrong and Federal Workers who owe $2,799,950,195 are wrong. Go to: www.wtop.com/?nid-428&sid=1034585. Stop defending these crooks You do not even know where this stolen money goes.

February 23, 2007:

When I browsed your page critiquing Aaron Russo's film, America: From Freedom to Fascism, I was hoping to find some direct answers that would contradict the revelations brought forth in the film. However, the nonsense on your webpage seems to only give greater credibility to Russo. On the page, "Comments on Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism", you descredit your own argument by using, again, the tax code to prove that one is required to pay income tax. However, being a professor of law at a major university, you yourself would know that no such code can legally be enforced without a statute authorizing that code. It seems to be the case that no such statute exists! As well, you well know that any decision handed down by the Supreme Court is infallible and that any court lower does not have the authority to question or revise its verdict; this means with regards to the length of its enforcibility, forever, as there is not a statute of limitations on a Supreme Court verdict. You use the argument that interviewing someone convicted of tax fraud somehow brings incredibility to the documentary; again, you're starting with fallacious presuppositons, instead of allowing the evidence being presented by the person(s) to speak for itself. It sounds as if the same whitewashed arguments I hear most "scientists" propogating are being presented here. In most instances, I find, evidence is used to validate a presupposition; what is not usually questioned is whether the presupposition is inherently false. So, if you want to prove to me (or any other intelligent reader) the validity of your argument, provide some real evidence to back up your assertation. Deception is any easy beast to fall prey to... _________, TN

Reply:

Thanks for your message. The tax code is a statute, or to be more precise, a set of statutes. The statutes were passed by the United States Congress. Congress chose the name "Internal Revenue Code of 1986" as the name for the set of statutes. So there is no distinction between the code and statutes. Please see this page for the particular statutes that require payment of income taxes.

I hope that helps. I can't comment on your argument regarding Supreme Court decisions because you don't specify which decision you have in mind.


February 12, 2007:

Thank you for publishing your page on tax law. Up here in New Hampshire ("Live Free or Die"), we have lots of people who really believe all of the myths that you debunk. You may have heard of the standoff with Ed Brown in Plainfield. Some of my friends almost had me believing them and Ed when they say there is no law requiring the payment of income tax. You have done a service by explaining this in simple terms. Thank you! _________, Franconia, NH

Reply:

Thanks for your kind message. If you had friends trying to convince you that there is no law requiring payment of income taxes, you are right in the "target market" for my web page. I'm glad you found it to be helpful.


February 1, 2007:

Dear Mr. Siegel,

If I asked you to tell me how you liked the movie, The Grinch that Stole Christmas," and you told me it had a great ending. The Grinch turned nice and everybody was singing. That would not tell me very much and I would wonder if you really understood the meaning of the story.

That's about how your criticism of Aaron Russo's Freedom From Fascism sounded. I was sincerely looking for some good advice about what was claimed in that film, and to tell you the truth, after reading your criticism of it, and the page you made in regard to IRS tax code, I can only surmise that Aaron Russo is right on target. I noticed that you are a professor of law. I am wondering if you are differentiating between what is a code and what is a law. I am only a grandmother with a high school education, so I expect my email will probably mean even less than 25 minutes of that film, but I would really like to know if you have had a chance to watch the entire film yet. After examining the information you have laid out, I feel like you have really missed some major stuff.

I would appreciate seeing the actual law, not the "policies" or "codes" of an entity called the IRS. If you have the number of the law, I would like to see it, but only after you have viewed that incredibly important film at least twice... one time through the eyes of a skeptic, and a second time, through the eyes of an optimist... someone who might be thankful that we might actually be free of the bondage of the income tax after all. How wonderful that would be. Would it not? Whose side are you on?

Sincerely, ___________.

Reply:

Thanks for your message. I'm sorry I don't have time to view the whole film right now -- I have a lot of deadlines in my work. Perhaps I'll have time to get to it in a month or so and if I do I'll post a fuller review.

But in the meanwhile, you asked for "the number of the law." I presume you mean the law requiring payment of income taxes. The relevant laws, complete with numbers, can be found on my web page here:

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm

These really are laws -- they were passed by the Congress of the United States. They are not creations of the IRS. They are part of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, because that's the name chosen by Congress for this set of laws.

Please take a look and see what you think. And congratulations on your grandchildren -- I'm sure they're wonderful.

Dear Mr. Siegel,

Thank you very much for your prompt response. I certainly understand you must be very busy and appreciate that you have taken the time to respond to me. I will check back with you one of these days to see if you had had a chance to post another message on this after viewing the film. I will double check the site you referred me to as well. I am not sure if I am understanding you correctly, but it appears that you are saying that the code was created in 1986. I'll tell you I had been paying income taxes many years prior to that.

Well, I don't mean to open a can of worms when you are busy, so I will say I will get in touch with you one day in the future, and if you get any time to work on this, it would be appreciated as I am very interested in making sure I have my facts straight when I talk to people about such things.

Thank you, ________.

Reply:

Thanks for your follow up. The Internal Revenue Code of 1986 replaced the Internal Revenue Code of 1954, which replaced the Internal Revenue Code of 1939, which replaced earlier tax laws. These were all statutes passed by the U.S. Congress. So there have been tax laws in effect for a long time.

And I'll see what I can do about that film. Maybe check back April 15! That would be an appropriate day.

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January 25, 2007:

Greetings: I was searching the web looking for information about the claims that some people make that there is no law saying you must pay federal income tax. I found the stuff on your web page to be very informative but I need one more piece of information to validate it. You have all of those statutes, codes and provisions laid out so a layman like myself can understand it easily. Now I just need the names and publishers of the law books to authenticate it and where I can find the books themselves for my proof positive. In other words where's the source? It looks authentic but I want to see it first hand in a book in a law library. I want to go to the UMKC Law Library and have the librarian there take me to the books so I can make photo copies of it. I couldn't find reference to where you got this at. I'm not saying that you are wrong and I'm not doubting your integrity but I want to see this first hand so I can tell 2 friends of mine that they are indeed wrong. I'm just asking you to tell me where I can find the law book with those laws in it so I can read it for myself out of the real books rather than relying on a website. You don't list the law books here on the website where you got this out of. I have yet to have any lawyer, college professor or government official be able to tell me where I can find proof of federal income tax laws in a law library. I do believe that there are federal income tax laws but why are Federal court judges trying to hide them or won't tell us where they are? Also in this current case with Ed Brown up in New Hampshire I find it absolutely appallling the Judge McCaulliffe won't show MR. Brown where the law is written. Doesn't Judge McCaulliffe know his Law? Or do we have a complete moron sitting on the federal bench? Even when I have gone to something as insignificant as local traffic court they will recite you chapter and verse and the code/statute numbers of traffic law and other infractions you are being charged with; so why can't the Feds do the same thing? Why can't a Federal court judge just simply have the respect and decency to show us the law instead of treating people disrespectfully like they do? But you yourself SIR do seem to know this law that everyone doubts. If you would be kind enough to tell me the name of the law book that contains it so I can go to the UMKC Law Library here in Kansas City Missouri then I can make myself some photocopies and blow these doubters out of the water. I will be the biggest proponent of your website if you can give me ROCK SOLID PROOF of what you have put on this site. thank you for your time. ________-Grain Valley, Missouri

Reply:

Thanks for your message. I think looking up the laws yourself is an excellent idea. One problem, though, is that looking up legal information can require some specialized training. It's not always so easy to find everything. But the laws themselves are the easiest part. If you have access to a law library, you should be able to find the laws themselves without too much trouble.

The laws themselves are part of the UNITED STATES CODE. It's published by the U.S. Government Printing Office. Just ask a librarian where the library keeps the United States Code, or, alternatively, a version called the "United States Code Annotated," which has the laws plus additional information such as notes of court decisions (that's published by West Group, a major legal publisher). Either version is a large, multi-volume set. The tax laws are in Title 26, which is basically the same as Volume 26. Within the volume, the laws are arranged by section number, so you can look up individual sections that are cited on my web page by number.

If you want to get really ambitious and look up cases cited on my web page, you can ask where the library keeps the "Federal Reporter." This is a little harder to use. Cases are cited by volume number and page. For example, my citation to "United States v. Benson, 941 F.2d 598 (7th Cir. 1991)," means you need to find volume 941 and look for page 598 within that volume. But just to make it more complicated, note that "F.2d" means the Second Series of the Federal Reporter (there are three series of the Federal Reporter so far), so you need to find volume 941 in the Second Series.

Good luck. Please let me know whether you are able to find the tax laws and convince your friends -- I'd be interested to hear.

And by the way, I agree that government officials should courteously show the tax laws to anyone who asks to see them.


January 24, 2007:

I was reading your Income Tax page and I'm confused about one issue. On your page you said that the tax law says you're only required to pay federal income taxes if you're required to file a tax return, right? Well I heard that you don't have to file a tax return because it's a violation of the "paperwork reduction act". So if you're not required to file a tax return as per the paperwork reduction act, wouldn't that mean you don't have to pay federal income taxes as well?

Reply:

Thanks for your message. The problem with this theory is that the tax return requirement does not violate the Paperwork Reduction Act. I have to admit I've never investigated this argument in detail, because it seems too silly, but here's my understanding: the PRA provides that government forms that request information must bear a "control number" assigned by the Office of Management and Budget. If there's no OMB number, then you don't have to fill out the form. But Form 1040 does have an OMB number! It's right there in the upper-right-hand corner of Form 1040. Same for Form 1040-EZ and other IRS forms. So there's no violation of the PRA.


January 24, 2007:

In your correspondences about the income tax you stated...."Have you ever seen the actual laws that prohibit murder, robbery, or arson?"

I can say that YES I have seen these laws and are often cited in prosecution of these types of criminals.

I can also say that I have researched the tax code and cannot find the statute that puts the wages of any human being subject to a tax.

Your arguments are vague and convoluted to the point of not making any sense. There are several ex-IRS agents who are knowledgable of the law and they all state that there is no law.
There have been several court cases that have won by defendants who ask the question...show me the law. According to the US Supreme court, the 16th ammendment does not give the
government any new taxing authority.

All we as US citizens want is to be shown the law.

Reply:

Thanks for your message.

>In your correspondences about the income tax you stated...."Have you
>ever seen the actual laws that prohibit murder, robbery, or arson?"
>
>I can say that YES I have seen these laws and are often cited in
>prosecution of these types of criminals.

Really? What state are you from? Perhaps you could quote me the statutes the prohibit murder, robbery, and arson in your state. I would be interested to learn whether you have seen the actual statutes. If so, good for you, but I think you are in a very small minority.

>I can also say that I have researched the tax code and cannot find the
>statute that puts the wages of any human being subject to a tax.

Well, the statutes are right on my web page:

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm

Please take a look.

>Your arguments are vague and convoluted to the point of not making any
>sense.
>There are several ex-IRS agents who are knowledgable of the law and they
>all state that there is no law.
>There have been several court cases that have won by defendants who ask
>the question...show me the law.
>According to the US Supreme court, the 16th ammendment does not give the
>government any new taxing authority.

The 16th amendment did not give a new taxing authority, but it allowed the existing authority to be used to tax incomes, without regard to the previous requirement of apportionment.

>All we as US citizens want is to be shown the law.

Again, it's on my web page. See the link above.

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January 20, 2007:

I was just directed to your income tax law page where you have presented the obvious case for the legality of the income tax and filing. I'm sure it couldn't have escaped your attention that everyone making the claim that "there is no law" has certainly been through this same information, and nonetheless have a quite contrary viewpoint.

Now, my first question is... if this is so "obvious" to you, then why have you not been awarded the $50,000 prize? Or did you not realize the offer existed? I would assume that your presentation of fact should qualify you -- and, naturally, the probable thousands of individuals who responded to the challenge with the same material. None of them won, I guess.

My second question is, have you pursued the other (more rational, I think) arguments against the income tax as per its supposed un-Constitutionality? I am fully aware that Congress can essentially pass any law they wish regardless of the law of the land (apparently, at least), but do these Supreme Court decisions barring taxation rights of Congress (I'm sure you know of them) truly exist? And so what?

I'm just looking into this matter for the first time, and only because I have seen the "evidence" provided from other sources; this is an attempt on my part to find out if there is any substance to any of them. Unfortunately, it is difficult to entertain the notion of a legal income tax when it has been refuted by former IRS professionals. Also, I am concerned about the Marcy Brooks account, which -- on her word -- seems to invoke the compelling idea that presenting Article 26 does not prove what you think it does. Again, I am quite new to this subject, and I just find it fascinating... especially for the lack of reasoned evidence on either side of the argument.

If you have not heard the Marcy Brooks accounting (a truncated version is presented in America: Freedom to Fascism), here is the link to a 2-part radio interview:

http://www.petermacshow.com/content/view/165/34/

The only thing that is obvious to be so far is that there is a whole lot of salesmanship on one side and a near-complete lack of proof on the other.

With Regards, _____________.

Reply:

Thanks for your message. I'm afraid your questions are a little vague, but here goes:

>Now, my first question is... if this is so "obvious" to you, then why have
>you not been awarded the $50,000 prize? Or did you not realize the offer
>existed? I would assume that your presentation of fact should qualify you
>-- and, naturally, the probable thousands of individuals who responded to
>the challenge with the same material. None of them won, I guess.

I don't know what $50,000 prize you refer to. If you could provide me with a link to it, I'll take a look. But based on my previous web browsing in this area, I'm guessing the answer is this: there's a page that claims that there's no law requiring people to pay income taxes, and it mentions a $50,000 prize, but, if you look closely, you'll see that the prize is not for showing that there is a law that requires people to pay income taxes. Instead, the prize is directed to something different, which would be impossible to do, such as disproving true but irrelevant statements on the order of "The Constitution limits the powers of Congress."

>My second question is, have you pursued the other (more rational, I think)
>arguments against the income tax as per its supposed un-Constitutionality?
>I am fully aware that Congress can essentially pass any law they wish
>regardless of the law of the land (apparently, at least), but do these
>Supreme Court decisions barring taxation rights of Congress (I'm sure you
>know of them) truly exist? And so what?

Again, it is impossible to respond to this without knowing what arguments or cases you're referring to. I respond to one constitutional argument on my web page: the argument that the 16th Amendment was never ratified. You can read my response on my web page.

>I'm just looking into this matter for the first time, and only because I
>have seen the "evidence" provided from other sources; this is an attempt on
>my part to find out if there is any substance to any of them.
>Unfortunately, it is difficult to entertain the notion of a legal income tax
>when it has been refuted by former IRS professionals.

Any large organization, such as the IRS, that has tens of thousands of employees, will hire a few foolish individuals who endorse absurd ideas.

>Also, I am concerned
>about the Marcy Brooks account, which -- on her word -- seems to invoke the
>compelling idea that presenting Article 26 does not prove what you think it
>does. Again, I am quite new to this subject, and I just find it
>fascinating... especially for the lack of reasoned evidence on either side
>of the argument.
>
>If you have not heard the Marcy Brooks accounting (a truncated version is
>presented in America: Freedom to Fascism), here is the link to a 2-part
>radio interview:
>
>http://www.petermacshow.com/content/view/165/34/

I'm sorry, but I don't have time to listen to Ms. Brooks's account. I tried about 5 minutes of it and she didn't get to anything of interest.

>The only thing that is obvious to be so far is that there is a whole lot of
>salesmanship on one side and a near-complete lack of proof on the other.

I'm not sure which side is which in your last sentence above, but you might consider these questions: which side has been upheld in hundreds of court decisions? Which side's proponents have gone to prison? Take a look at the part of my web page that responds to the argument "nothing bad ever happens to tax protestors" for some examples.

What would you accept as proof? If I say that there is a law requiring the payment of income taxes, and I show you the law on my web page, and I show that people have gone to prison for not obeying that law, is that not proof?

Regards,

Jon Siegel

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Nov. 21, 2006:

Hi, I just read your tax page and I am curious of your opinion. Have you seen Aaron Russo's film America, Freedom to Fascism? If so what are your thoughts? Are you still holding to what you state on that page?

Sincerely, _____.

Reply:

Thanks for your message -- it's always nice to hear from people who have read my web page.

I haven't had time to view the full Russo film that you called to my attention -- it's nearly two hours -- but I did watch the first 25 minutes or so, and here are my thoughts.

This film appears to consist of the usual wholly mistaken arguments. Most of the arguments I saw are already covered on my web page.

The film opens with a brief reference to the 16th Amendment argument. This is covered on my web page.

Then, in the part of the film I watched, Russo interviews ordinary people on the street and asks them if they have ever seen the actual law that requires them to pay taxes. They all say no (or don't answer).

Well, of course they haven't seen the income tax law. Most people are not lawyers. Most people have never seen any actual law. Most people wouldn't know where to look for any actual law even if they wanted to. And even most lawyers don't spend their time looking up the actual statutes that we all obey in our everyday lives.

Have you ever seen the actual laws that prohibit murder, robbery, or arson? I bet if you asked 100 random people whether they have ever seen these laws, at least 98 of them would say no. Does that mean that these laws don't exist? Does that mean it's a fraud to tell people that they can't murder each other or burn down buildings? Of course not. Whether ordinary people have seen the actual statutes about anything is irrelevant.

Russo interviews some former IRS agents who have joined the tax protestor movement. Any big government agency with tens of thousands of employees will at some point employ some foolish people. The fact that some former IRS agents are tax protestors is not persuasive.

Some of these former agents say that the IRS has "refused" to say which laws require people to pay taxes. Russo pursues this point at length, but it's false. The IRS has specified the relevant laws in its publication "The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments." This publication can be viewed on the IRS website. Here's the URL:

http://www.irs.gov/taxpros/article/0,,id=159932,00.html#_Toc139431515

If anyone wants more info on this point, it's available on numerous web pages, including mine.

It may be true that the IRS doesn't do as good a job as it should of responding to inquiries about this point. If I were in charge of the IRS I would certainly have a standard form answer that I sent to everyone who asked to see the laws that require payment of income taxes. Apparently, if the tax protestors are to be believed, the IRS doesn't do this. But the answer is on the agency's website for anyone to see.

Russo also shows some people making arguments that the income tax is a bad and unnecessary way for the government to raise money. These are policy arguments that have nothing to do with the legal question of whether current statutes require the payment of income taxes.

Finally, Russo shows interviews with people he refers to as the "tax experts." I didn't recognize everyone he showed, but he included Larken Rose and Irwin Schiff. Considering that they have both been criminally convicted of tax evasion, I think it's fair to say that they -- and by implication they other people that Russo interviews -- are not "tax experts." If Russo wants to interview some people who actually know something about the income tax code, there are professors available at every law school who would be happy to speak to him on camera -- heck, I'd be happy to do it myself.

That's as much of the film as I watched. Judging from the part I saw, the film appears to be a collection of the usual claptrap. If there's some specific argument later in the film that you think is compelling and is not covered on my web page, let me know.

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Sept. 15, 2006:

Good day Prof. Siegel. My name is ____ _____. I am a 2L at St. Thomas University School of Law in Miami, Fl. and I am taking the time to write you concerning your website (http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/IncomeTax.htm) I would like to thank you for taking the time to explain this topic to the general public, as well as to a very grateful law school student. We have recently read Cheek v. United States in our Crim Law I section and I had serious questions about the authenticity about the requirments to pay income tax. As you point out, many websites and films (most notably Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism), make it appear as if our income tax system and the I.R.S. in general are a fraud committed upon the American people. As a law student, I felt it my obligation not to take the Prof's word for it and do my own research into the topic. At first, I must admit I bought into these arguments, since I was unable to locate a court decision stating that American's must pay an unapportioned tax on their labor (income tax.) Similarly, the arguments made by the 'anti-tax' crowd play upon the language of some Supreme Court decisions to make it appear as if the Court ruled that the 16th Amendment granted no new powers upon the Congress to tax the people. In a way, and please correct me if I am wrong, they are right. Those ruling did not per se grant Congress a new power to tax, but rather removed the requirement of apportionment, thereby allowing Congress to institute the 'income tax'. I wonder Prof., why these ex-IRS agents and the like have risked their careers and personal reputations whilst making these actively false and misleading statements to an otherwise unsuspecting population. In any event sir, please keep up the outstanding job, and thank you again. P.S. please forgive the informal nature of this communication. . . . my Legal Writing Prof. would KILL ME if she saw this thing!

Reply:

Thanks for your message -- it's always good to hear from people who have read the material on the website. I'm glad it was helpful. And you're right about the 16th Amendment -- as you say, it just removed the requirement of apportionment.

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Sept. 6, 2006:

Greetings,

I'm a Clemson University economics student who recently stumbled into the Internet's vast resource of "income tax hoax/fraud" web sites while conducting research for a public sector class. Allow me to say first that I believe any proper form of protest would involve first paying my taxes, and then pursuing any questions of fact. I am dubious of all claims of any factual nature on the Internet. Nonetheless, I am curious as to the truth of two claims in particular, and I am hoping you can help clarify them:

1. The first is that the 16th amendment was falsely ratified. A gentlemen by the name of Bill Benson claims that he has investigated the records of state congresses and can show that the necessary 36 states (of 48 at the time) did not properly ratify the amendment. I would complete dismiss such a claim if it were not for the briefs on his site (http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com) that he claims to have filed in an attempt to establish the facts concerning ratification.

2. The second claim is that no agency, including the IRS, can coerce individuals to file information collection papers (such as the 1040) because the Paper Reduction Act requires all government forms to be issued a valid control number by the OMB. Apparently the IRS 1040 displays an invalid control number. (The source of this claim was a press release from http://www.givemeliberty.org/RTP2/UPDATES/Update2006-06-09.htm)

I apologize if these requests for clarification are redundant. I did my best to diligently look through your web site for any information on these claims but was not able to find anything.

Thanks very much in advance for your time,

_____ _____.

Reply:

Thanks for your message. I will answer the question about the 16th Amendment on my webpage. It will take a week or so to prepare the answer. I'll let you know when it's posted.

The other question, I think, is not worth adding to the website. I haven't investigated the point thoroughly, but I believe the answer is simply that Form 1040 does have an OMB control number.

You might check out Dan Evans' income tax website, which addresses the question (although I can't vouch for his answers):

http://evans-legal.com/dan/tpfaq.html

Reply 2:

The answer to your 16th Amendment question is now posted.

 

 

 

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Aug. 27, 2006:

Hi Mr. Siegel,

My name is ____ _____ and I am a high school English teacher. Perhaps it would have been better if I was an social studies teacher. Please forgive me writing you, but I am very confused about the income tax myth--because people on both sides seem so adamant and sure of themselves. If and when you have the time, can you comment on the few paragraphs below:

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The income tax is imposed on the "taxable income" of individuals in Subchapter A, NOT all income. Only income derived from taxable activities is what becomes "taxable income" (taxable "gross income" minus allowable deductions). Therefore, federal income taxes may be owed on such income. And if you owe federal income taxes, you are required to pay them whether you like it or not. Required means that it is mandatory.

But the list of taxable "activities" are located in the Subchapter N, Section 861 regulations, thousands of pages away from where the tax is imposed in Subchapter A. ALL individuals with domestic income (the incomes of most Americans) must go to the Section 861 regulations to determine if the activities that generate their income are taxable or not.

Section 861 ("Income from sources within the United States") contains the critical regulation 1.861-8, entitled "Computation of taxable income from sources within the United States..." It is in a subsection of this critical regulation (1.861-8(f)(1)) that ALL the taxable activities are found.

But they are ALL related to international and possessions commerce (including the domestic income of foreigners, since this is part of "commerce with foreign nations" or international commerce). The domestic incomes of residents of the United States (US citizens AND resident aliens) are NOT shown to be taxable under the Section 861 regulations (or anywhere else in the law), because Congress cannot tax them. [Foreigners that live and work in the United States are called "resident aliens."]

Therefore, according to the written law, the domestic activities of residents of the United States (Americans and resident aliens) are NOT shown to be taxable, so the domestic income derived from such activities does not become taxable "gross income."

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_____ Comments: People are telling me that this means that most working Americans don't have to pay federal income taxes. People like you tell me this is a myth--and of course we have to pay taxes. Is there any way you can respond to the above paragraphs or explain to me how & why they are incorrect? I'd appreciate it whenever or if ever you can find the time to get around to it.

Thanks in advance in any case, and be well & happy,

_____

Reply:

Thanks for your question. My best answer to it is found on my website, see here:

http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/861.htm

Briefly, the point is this: yes, section 861 of the tax code determines what part of your income is considered to be U.S.-source income. But if you are a U.S. citizen, then, by virtue of section 61 of the tax code, you are taxed on all your income regardless of source. Therefore, for most U.S. citizens, section 861 doesn't matter, because it doesn't matter whether your income is U.S-source or foreign-source.

The regulation referred to in the paragraphs you quote just specifies the portions of the tax code for which it *does* matter what source your income is from. For example, if you claim the foreign tax credit, then section 861 does matter for you. But most Americans don't have occasion to claim the foreign tax credit.

I know it can be hard to make out the truth given all the false information that's out there on the web. But ask yourself this: if it were really true that most Americans don't owe the income tax, wouldn't rich people hire lawyers to make that argument? They would save billions! And even if there is a vast government conspiracy to hide the truth about the tax code (which is absurd enough already), the conspiracy could never reach the whole private bar. There are many lawyers who spend their whole lives exposing government wrongdoing. If they could expose the government and get rich by proving that people don't have to pay taxes, you can bet they'd be doing it.

I hope that helps.