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Weekly Discussions

The main focus of our weekly discussions is the Book of Mormon. We plan to hear from local attorneys about their careers and other interesting topics.

Tuesday — 12:00 to 1:00 pm — Stu201


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Upcoming Topics
 

Tue  01.31.06 "Of monarchy and hereditary succession" by Thomas Paine
"Mosiah 29" by Mosiah
Presented by Ben Olson


Past Discussions


Tue  11.01.05 "The Inconvenient Messiah" by Elder Holland
Presented by Paul Johnson
Tue  10.25.05 "The Man of Christ" by Elder Maxwell
Presented by Taylor Woodbury
Tue  10.18.05 "To Acquire Knowledge and the Strength to Use It Wisely" by Elder Scott
Presented by Blake Johnston

Elder Scott begins his address by sharing a principle which he promised would bring "enormous blessings throughout your life" if "understood and consistently applied." This is the principle:

I will consistently strive to learn by what I hear, see, and feel. I will write down the important things I learn, and I will do them.

Elder Scott stressed the importance, especially in an academic setting where one already learns a great deal by "hearing" (or "listening to professors") and "seeing" (or "reading textbooks"), of learning by "feeling." More specifically, of developing the skill of learning from the gentle promptings of the Holy Ghost.

He also invites everyone, consistent with the second part of the principle, to "[w]rite down in a secure place the important things you learn from the Spirit." This invitation sparked a discussion about keeping a journal. One suggestion was to keep a separate "spiritual journal" for especially personal and sacred promptings and experiences. Another idea was to keep in a handy pocket notebook a running list of small promptings throughout the day, to be able better to notice all of the small instances of divine assistance and to remember to act upon such promptings.

The group also tackled the question, inspired by Elder Scott’s portrayal of a young man whose parents "taught him from infancy to unwaveringly live the commandments of God," of how one teaches his child the Gospel. Elder Scott indicated that this is done by "example" and "precept," but the anecdotes of the participants were helpful in illustrating some more concrete ways in which one can teach children by example.

Finally, we considered the eight sources of help that Elder Scott indicated could help us reach our goals:
  1. Faith in Jesus Christ
  2. Guiding Principles
  3. Prayer
  4. Scriptures
  5. Temple Worship
  6. Moral Cleanliness
  7. Consistent Hard Work
  8. Good Music
Tue  10.11.05 "Cast Not Away Therefore Your Confidence" by Elder Holland
Presented by Jamie Sorenson
Tue  10.04.05 "The Moral Challenges for the Next Century" by Lady Margaret Thatcher
Presented by Micah Elggren
Tue  09.27.05 "Christianity and the Hope of the Future" by F. Enzio Busche
Presented by Tom Anderson

Who are Christians? What does it mean to be a Christian? In Matthew, we read that "by their fruits ye shall know them." Matt. 7:16-20. But, the fruits of traditional Christianity have hardly been palatable.

According to Elder Busche, traditional Christianity has been marked by three recurrent fruits.
  1. "The message of Christ and His gospel became subject, soon after His resurrection, to various, extremely controversial interpretations; and the question, What is truth? has continued to be controversial up to this day."
  2. "Over a period of centuries there were only those interpretations of the gospel prevailing which were linked with the strongest literal political powers, and it is easy to see that these powers of leadership in Christianity could not be kept free from wickedness, injustice, and unrighteousness."
  3. "There is a long history in Christianity of intolerance toward those holding different opinions, of defaming them as 'devilish heretics,' of persecuting them, and even to literally putting them to death."

To put these ideas on a more personal level, we are on a guaranteed road to apostasy if we (1) engage in controversy about the truth; (2) adhere to only those doctrines that are consistent with our own ideology or aspirations to power, or, alternatively, corrupt doctrines to conform with our own ambitions; and (3) reject or become intolerant of those who continue to believe the pure doctrine -- that which is different from the corrupted doctrine we might espouse.

For examples of this pattern of personal apostasy, consider the story of the Amlicites, or Nehor, in the Book of Mormon. Alma 1-2.

To avoid this fate, we, of course must seek to cultivate good fruits. Recall that the most desirable fruits found in the scriptures required intense cultivation. See, for example, Jacob 5. These desirable fruits are fruits of the spirit, not the fruit of traditional Christianity or the natural man. Galatians 5:19-23.


Brother Rogers recommended reading this article:

"Mormon Scholarship, Apologetics, and Evangelical Neglect:
Losing the Battle and Not Knowing It?
" by Carl Mosser and Paul Owen

As Marc Bohn pointed out, this article was written in 1998. Since then, some Evangelicals have responded. Those responses have led to an on-going discussions between BYU Professor Robert Millet and Pastor Greg Johnson.

Tue  09.20.05 "Trying to Serve the Lord Without Offending the Devil" by President Faust
Presented by Stan Swinton

I had the pleasure of presenting Elder Faust's talk entitled "Serving the Lord, Without Offending the Devil." This was not, as the title may suggest, a "how-to" on how not to offend the devil, but rather an admonishment not to fall into the trap of political and social correctness that are really attempts at trying to serve the Lord without offending the devil.

In other words, one way we can measure our service to the Lord is by how much our actions offend Satan. An example mentioned in the talk is that having a temple recommend does not offend Satan if you do not use that recommend. So how well are you serving the Lord if you have a recommend but are not attending the temple? Not well enough.

In the end, admonishes Elder Faust, we cannot straddle the line on issues such as homosexuality, abortion, or population control, or in other words we cannot "serve God and Mammon," for when we serve mammon (defined in the talk as serving our own self-interest) we are not in the service of our God.

After Stan concluded his remarks, Brother Rogers shared the following three scriptures:

After class, he furnished this quote by the Prophet Joseph Smith:

We have reproved in the gate, and men have laid snares for us. We have spoken words, and men have made us offenders. And notwithstanding all this, our minds are not yet darkened, but feel strong in the Lord. But behold the words of the Savior: "If the light which is in you become darkness, behold how great is that darkness." Look at the dissenters. Again, "If you were of the world the world would love its own."

(Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, selected and arranged by Joseph Fielding Smith [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book Co., 1976], 124.)

Tue  09.13.05 "Our Divine Constitution" by President Ezra Taft Benson
Presented by Ben Olson

The whole talk was excellent, but I thought this was a good quote to focus on, especially given the fact he delivered this in General Conference:

Unfortunately, we as a nation have apostatized in various degrees from different Constitutional principles as proclaimed by the inspired founders. We are fast approaching that moment prophesied by Joseph Smith when he said: "Even this nation will be on the very verge of crumbling to pieces and tumbling to the ground, and when the Constitution is upon the brink of ruin, this people will be the staff upon which the nation shall lean, and they shall bear the Constitution away from the very verge of destruction" (19 July 1840, as recorded by Martha Jane Knowlton Coray; ms. in Church Historian’s Office, Salt Lake City).

Although President Benson outlined four things we must to do help "secure the blessings of liberty" and preserve the Constitution, I want to focus on his second admonition:

Have we read The Federalist papers? Are we reading the Constitution and pondering it? Are we aware of its principles? Are we abiding by these principles and teaching them to others? Could we defend the Constitution? Can we recognize when a law is constitutionally unsound? Do we know what the prophets have said about the Constitution and the threats to it?

As Jefferson said, "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free … it expects what never was and never will be" (Letter to Colonel Charles Yancey, 6 Jan. 1816).


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